Beurskens, M. N. A., Bozhenkov, S., Fable, E., Fuchert, G., Ford, O., Reisner, M., Scott, E., Stechow, A. v., Stober, J., Turkin, Y., Weir, G., Xanthopoulos, P., Alcuson, J., Angioni, C., Baldzuhn, J., Beidler, C. D., Birkenmeier, G., Burhenn, R., Dinklage, A., Grulke, O., Hirsch, M., Jakubowski, M., Laqua, H., Lazerson, S., Schneider, P. A., Stange, T., Stroth, U., Warmer, F., Wegner, T., Zhang, D., Wolf, R. C., Zohm, H., W7-X Team, Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics, Max Planck Society, & ASDEX Upgrade Team, Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics, Max Planck Society (2021). Confinement in Electron Heated Plasmas in Wendelstein 7-X and ASDEX-Upgrade: The Necessity to Control Turbulent Transport. Talk presented at 28th IAEA Fusion Energy Conference (FEC 2020). Virtual. 2021-05-10 - 2021-05-15.